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Posted 01 March 2007 - 10:20 PM

Greetings Everyone...
Ok..here is a game for everyone, but more importantly an abbreviation game. All to many times i see abbreviations to common kink words and half the time don't know what the hell people are talking about. So a few questions..
1)does anyone have any to add to this list?
2)Anyone know the origins, or why we even decided to create this?
3)Are these all just onlinisms? Or did they have a real life root before hand?

Ok...here goes.
BDSM-(originally) Bondage & Discipline Sado Masochism..
which then develop into Bondage/Discipline Dominance/Submission Sado Masochism
WIITWD-What it is that we do
RACK-Risk Awareness Consensual Kink
SSC-Safe Sane Consensual

onlinisms
CHUDWAH-Clueless Heterosexual Unenlightened Dominant Wannabe Ass Hole (derogatory word for vanilla)
HNG-honrny Net Geek
SNERT-Snot Nosed Egotistical Ranting Troll/teenager
MYIBTYL-My label is better then your label
WTFCWTFLYG-Who thefuck cares what label you got

Ok..actually found a web site that has over 1000 one of these including all the onlinisms...but i was more curious as to why have the first few become the main ones as if this "lifestyle" revolves only upon those principles...sure we all chant the motto SSC but are we really safe sane and consensual all the time?? know t hat doesn't necessarily suit my dynamic. BDSM? as a community we can't even agree on what this means and if D/s is separate from BDSM or if SM is a separate entity..ect.....
So this is just a general throw out question for everyone to ponder, plus, looking for more kookie abbreviations for the hell of it...
Hope you all have a great evening,
melanie the sweet potato
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Posted 01 March 2007 - 11:43 PM

Fun post. Thanks, sweet potato *winks*

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Posted 02 March 2007 - 05:58 PM

Hiya Master Dale:)
Yep she is a sweet potato...here is the full list for even more fun :)

24/7 = Availible or Open 24 hours a day and 7 days a week.
8) or :) or ;) or <{:^) = Smile Face = Happy
8))))))) = Very happy
8( = Sad Face = Sad
AFACT= As far as I can tell.
AFAIK= As far as I know.
AFK ( afk ) = Away From Keyboard
ASCII = An acronym for "American Standard Code for Information Interchange", used to assign English characters into numbers.
ASK ( ask ) = Current Price A Stock May Be Readily Bought For.
Bagger, (one, double, triple, quad or more ) = how many times the price of a stock has multiplied since the purchase.
BB = Bulletin Board:
BBIAB = Be Back In A Bit.
BBIAM = Be Back In A Minute.
BBL ( bbl ) = Be Back Later
Bear = A person who thinks a stock or markets will go lower.
Bearish = Looking for a stock or market to go lower.
BID ( bid ) = Price posted that a Market Maker will pay for stock.
BOX ( box ) = Computer
BRB ( brb ) = Be Right Back
BTW = By the way
Bull = A person who thinks a stock or markets are going higher.
Bullish = Looking for a stock or the markets to go Higher.
BW = Business Wire ( News Service )
CEO = Chief Executive Officer
CFO = Chief Financial Officer
CIO = Chief Information Officer
COO = Chief Operating Officer
CYA ( cya ) = See Ya
CUL8R = See you later.
DCC = Start a chat or send a file.
DD ( dd ) = Due Diligence
Double® = Stock that's price has doubled since a given time.
DT( dt ) = Down Tick in the price of a stock, Price is falling. Our DayTrading.
Due Diligence = Research the fundamentals of a stock.
DH = Day High
DL = Day Low
DYODD = Do your own due diligence.
E2EG = Ear-to-ear grin.
EG = Evil Grin.
EOD ( eod ) = End Of Day
EOM ( eom ) = End Of Month or End of Message
ERR ( err ) = Growl or getting mad.
FAQ = Frequently asked questions.
Fire = Stock that is hot, rising fast.
Front Running = People own the stock then promote it while selling.
FS = Forward Split
FWIW = For what it's worth.
FYI = For your information.
G = Grin
GAL = Get a life.
Gapper, Gapping, Gapolla, GAPPA = Stock that moves from its previous closing price before the market opens.
GMTA = Great minds think alike.
GTG = Got To Go.
GUI= Graphical User Interface ( What you see when using software )
Head Fake = Stock Price heading up or down contrary to ones opinion.
HOD = High Of Day
HTH = Hope this helps. or Hope that helps.
IMHO ( imho ) = In My Honest Opinion, In My Humble Opinion
IMO ( imo ) = In My Opinion
IOW = In other words.
IPO = Initial Public Offering.
IRC = Internet Relay Chat ( Network for live chat )
IRL = In real life.
IT = Information Technology.
KISS = Lip Smaking, Keep It Simple Stupid.
L8TR ( l8tr ) = Later ( Like see ya later )
LAGGED, LAGG ( lagged ) = Long delay between sending and recieving data over the Internet.
LMAO = Laughing My A$$ Off
MB = Message Board.
MIRC = Internet Chat Program.
MM ( mm ) = Market Maker ( the folks who handle the trades of stocks )
MOMO = Momentum stock, lots of interest and buyers for hours days or weeks.
NASDAQ = National Association of Securities Dealers.
NEWBEE ( newbee, newbe ) = New user of Internet and or computer.
NICK ( nick ) = Name used by people ( Individual ) on the Internet.
NQB = National Quotations Bureau.
NUKE ( nuke ) = "Denial of Service Attack" that will crash your computer forcing you to reboot.
NYSE = New York Stock Exchange
OEM ( oem ) = Original Equipment Manufacturer
OFFER ( offer ) = Current Price A Stock May Be Readily Bought For. What a Market Maker is willing to pay for a stock or other issue.
OMG = Oh My God
OT = Off Topic, used on message boards when the post is not on the threads subject..
OTCBB = Over The Counter Bulletin Board.
PD (pd and p&d ) = Pump and Dump
PDJ = Pesky Day Job
PIC ( pic ) = Picture
Pink Sheet = Stocks quoted by the NQB.
PM = Private Message
POINT ( point ) = Dollar or Stick
PPL ( ppl ) = People
PPS = Price Per Share
PRN = PRNewswire ( News Service )
Pump and Dump = Front running, people own the stock then promote it while selling.
Reloading = To Buy Again or to enter in the order for a buy or sell in the browser window but not yet hitting the send button so as to be prepared for news or movement.
ROFL ( rofl ) = Rolling On Floor Laughing
ROFLMAO = Rolling on floor laughing my a** off
RS = Reverse Split
SAD = Short Against Delivery
SBPO = Small Business Public Offering
SCALP (S) ( scalp ) = A quick trade for an 1/16 or more.
SI ( si ) = Silicon Investor
SNRK = Under breath Laugh
SOES = Small order execution system.
Spread = The difference between the offer and the bid. The difference between the price a Market Maker is willing to buy a security and the price at which a Market Maker is willing to sell it.
STICK ( stick ) = One point or dollar.
Stop Sell is a market order - once it hits your stop sell price it sells at market which may be well below your price.
Stop Limit sells once it hits your stop, but then will only sell at this stop so that if the price keeps going down you could miss out on selling all of your stock.
Tank, Tanking = Stock thats price is falling.
Teenie = 1/16th
Thread = A series of messages on a message board or other means that generaly have the same topic.
TICK ( tick ) = Can mean the last movement in a issues price ( up tick or down tick ) Also a market indicator. As a market indicator quote systems keep track of the up ticks and down ticks of stocks through out the day. The tick shown will be the difference between the up ticks and down ticks for that day so far. A positive number means there have been that many more up ticks than down and a negative number means the opposite.
TRIN ( trin ) = A market indicator used in technical analysis, calculated as follows: TRIN = ((number of advancing issues divided by number of declining issues) divided by (Total up volume divided by Total down volume)). A value of less than 1 is bullish, greater than 1 bearish. also called Arms Index.
TTFN = Ta Ta For Now ( UK Folks ? )
TTYL = Talk to you latter.
TTYS = Talk to you soon.
UT ( ut ) = Up tick in the price of a stock, Price moved up.
URL ( url ) = Uniform Resource Locater, Internet address of a web page ( http://sitename )
WEG = Wicked Evil Grin
WTF ( wtf ) = Potty Mouth!
ZZZZZZ ( zzzzz ) = Sleeping or Bored
20 Location
2U2 To You, Too
73 Best Regards
88 Love and Kisses
100 Nature Calls/Pit Stop
404 I have no clue (what you get when you entered a wrong URL)
A/L Age/Location
A/S/C Age/Sex/Check
A/S/S/C
Age/Sex/State/Check
A/S/L/R
Age/Sex/Location/Role
AAMOF As A Matter Of Fact
ADN Any Day Now
ADDY Your e-mail Address
AFAIC As Far As I'm Concerned
AFAICT As Far As I Can Tell
AFAIK As Far As I Know
AKA Also Known As
AFK Away From Keyboard
AFK2p Away From Keyboard To Pee
ASAP As Soon As Possible
ATK At the Keyboard
BAC By Any Chance
BAK Back At Keyboard
BBL Be Back Later
BBN Bye Bye Now
BBS Be Back Soon
BEG Big Evil Grin
BF Boy Friend
BFN Bye For Now
BITMT But In The Meantime
BOT Back On Topic
BRB Be Right Back
BRB nc Be Right Back Nature calls (brb nc)
BTW By The Way
BTU Back to You
BWL Bursting With Laughter
C4N Ciao For Now
C & G Chuckle and Grin
C2C or CTC Cheek To Cheek
CID Crying In Disgrace
CNP Continued (in my) Next Post
CP Chat Post (a chat message)
CRS Can't Remember "Stuff"
CSG Chuckle Snicker Grin
CYA L8R See You Later (See ya lata)
CU See You
C U L8R See You Later
CWOT Complete Waste Of Time
CYA See Ya or Cover Your Ass
DH (depending on your mood!) Dear Husband ~ Darned Husband ~ Demented Husband
DIL Daughter In Law
DITYID Did I Tell You I'm Distressed?
DIY Do It Yourself
DLTBBB Don't Let The Bed Bugs Bite
DW Wife or Dear wife
EG Evil Grin
EMSG Email Message
EOD End Of Discussion
EOS End Of Show
EZ Easy
F2F or FTF Face To Face
FAAK Falling Asleep At Keyboard
FAQ Frequently Asked Questions
FBOW [4BOW] For Better Or Worse
FIL Father In Law
FOAF Friend Of A Friend
FOCL Falling Off Chair Laughing
FUBAR F***ed Up Beyond All Repair
FWIW For What It's Worth
FYA For Your Amusement
FYI For Your Information
GAL Get A Life
GBTW Get Back To Work
GF or G/F Girl Friend
GFC or G4C Going For Coffee
GFETE Grinning From Ear To Ear
GFN or G4N Gone For Now
GL Good Luck
GL2U Good Luck To You
GMAO [GMBO] Giggling My A$$ Off
GMTA Great Minds Think Alike
GR8 Great
GR&D Grinning, Running & Ducking
GTG or G2G Got To Go
GTGTTBR or G2G2TBR Got To Go To The Bathroom
GTRM or G2RM Going To Read Mail
GTSY Glad To See You
H&K Hug and Kiss
HABU Have A Better 'Un
HAGN Have A Good Night
HAGU Have A Good 'Un
HAG1 Have A Good One
HB Hurry Back
HAND Have A Nice Day
HHIS Hanging Head in Shame
HHOK Ha Ha Only Kidding
HLOL Hystericly Laughing Out Loud
HLOLARAWCHAWMP Hystericaly Laughing Out Loud And Rolling Around While
Clapping Hands And Wetting My Pants
The HNG (Horny Net Geek)
HTH Hope This Helps
IAC In Any Case
IAE In Any Event
IC I See
IDGI I Don't Get It
IDK I Don't Know ~ I Didn't Know
IGP I Gotta Pee
IMCO In My Considered Opinion
IMHO In My Humble Opinion
IMO In My Opinion
IMNSHO In My Not So Humble Opinion
IMPE In My Previous/Personal Experience
IOTTMCO Intuitively Obvious To The Most Casual Observer
IOW In Other Words
IRL In Real Life
ISP Internet Service Provider
ISRN I'll Stop Rambling Now
ITA I Totally Agree
IWALU I Will Always Love You
IYKWIM If You Know What I Mean
J/K Just Kidding
JIC Just In Case
JK Joke
JMO Just My Opinion
JTLYK Just To Let You Know
KISS Keep It Simple Stupid
KIT Keep In Touch
KMA Kiss My A$$
KMB Kiss My Butt
KOC [KOTC] Kiss On Cheek
KOL [KOTL] Kiss On Lips
L8R Later
L8R G8R Later 'Gater
LD Later Dude
LHM Lord Help Me
LHU Lord Help Us
LMAO Laughing My Ass Off
LOL Laughing Out Loud
LOLOL Laughing Out Loud On Line
LSHMBB Laughing So Hard My Belly is Bouncing
LSHMBH Laughing So Hard My Belly Hurts
LSHMSH Laughing so hard my side hurts
LTNS Long Time No See
LTS Laughing To Self
LUWAMH Love You With All My Heart
LUVYA Love Ya
LY Love Ya
MorF or M/F Male or Female, of person who asks that question
MWAH Sound Of A Kiss
MTCW My Two Cents Worth
MYOB Mind Your Own Business
NETUA Nobody Ever Tells Us Anything
NP No Problem
NRN No Reply Necessary
NTA Non-Technical Acronym
OIC Oh I See
OL Old Lady (significant other)
OLL Online Love
OM Old Man (significant other)
ONNA Oh No, Not Again!
OTFL On The Floor Laughing
OTOH On The Other Hand
OTTOMH Off The Top of My Head
PC/PVT/MSG Private Chat/ Messaging
PCMCIA People Can't Memorize Computer Industry Acronyms
PDS Please Don't Shoot
PLS Please
PM Private Message
PMFJI Pardon Me For Jumping In
PMP Peed My Pants
PMTA Perverted Minds Think Alike
POAHF Put On A Happy Face
POOF I Have Left the Chat
POV Point Of View
PS Post Script
PTSS Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome
PU That Stinks!
QSL Reply
QSO Conversation
QT Cutie
RE or REHI Hello Again (re-Hi!)
ROFL Rolling On Floor Laughing
ROFLAPMP ROFL And Peeing My Pants
ROTF Rolling On The Floor
ROTFL Rolling On The Floor Laughing
ROTFLMAO Rolling On The Floor Laughing My A** Off
ROFLMAOAY ROFLMAO At You
ROTFWTIME Rolling On The Floor With Tears In My Eyes
ROFLUTS ROFL Unable to Speak
RSN Real Soon Now
RTDox Read The Documentation/Directions
RTF Read The FAQ
RTFM Read The F****** Manual! [Read The Fine Manual]
RTSM Read The Stupid Manual!
RUOK Are You OK?
SETE or SE2E Smiling Ear To Ear
SHID Slaps Head In Disquest
SIL or SoIL Son In Law
SIL or SiIL Sister In Law
SITD Still In The Dark
SNAFU Situation Normal; All Fouled Up
Snert Snot Nosed Egotistical Rotten Teenager
SO Significant Other
SOHF Sense Of Humor Failure
SOL Smiling Out Loud (or You're Out of Luck)
SPAM Stupid Person's AdvertiseMent
SS So Sorry
SWAK Sealed With A Kiss
SWL Screaming With Laughter
SYS See You Soon
TA Thanks Again
TAFN That's All For Now
TANSTAAFL There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch
TBD OOTD To Be Done One Of These Days!
TEOTWAWKI The End Of The World As We Know It
THX or Txs Thanks
TIA Thanks In Advance
TMK To My Knowledge
TOS Terms Of Service
TOY Thinking Of You
TPTB The Powers That Be
TSWC Tell Someone Who Cares
TTBOMK or 2TBOMK To The Best Of My Knowledge
TTFN Ta-Ta For Now
TTYL Talk To You Later
TWIMC or 2WIMC To Whom It May Concern
TY Thank You
TX Thanks
UFO Un-Finished Object ~ (a started project not yet done)
UPGS Unfinished Project Guilt Syndrome
URL Web Page Address
VDH Very Dear Husband ~ (see also DH)
VDW Very Dear Wife
WB Welcome Back
WBS Write Back Soon
w/o Without
WRT With Respect To
WPYS Who Pulled Your String
WTF- What/Who The FUCK
WTG- Way To Go
WTH- What/Who The Hell
WU- What's Up?
WWW- World Wide Web
WYSIWYG- What You See Is What You Get
Y2K- Year 2000
YBS- You'll Be Sorry
YCGB- You Can't Get Better
YG- Young Gentleman
YGIAGAM- Your Guess Is As Good As Mine
YGWYPF- You Get What You Pay For
YL- Young Lady
YM- Young Man
YMMV- Your Mileage May Vary
YWIA- You're Welcome In Advance
ZZZ- Sleeping
TT
Tit Torture
SM
SadoMaschoism
Being clothespinned Being paddled
(especially chest, cock, feet, and back)
Having a ass expanded to take a fist or
boot/foot or whatever the Sadist wants.
Having a cock beaten until It cums
(especially the cock head) Having a cock
waxed Having nipples worked over Having
weights on balls and nipples Learning to
be beaten, flogged, spanked Playing with
electricity (especially the electrical
buttplug) Play piercings Wearing leather
equipment which is lined with prickers any
other item done with pain to effect pleasure.
BD
Bondage & Domination
Being blindfolded and/or hooded; Being
corseted; Being held while in bondage;
Being in bondage and entered: mouth,
cockhole, asshole; Being kept in a
straitjacket; Being locked into a
(dog/prisoner) cage; Being mummified;
Being put into chains; Being put into
heavy bondage; Being suspended and
dominated / Hanging by ankles and
dominated Being tied in a chair or frame;
Being worked over while tied to a Tower
of Power; Having head mummified;
Sleeping in a bodybag (leather/rubber etc);
Wearing movable, but limiting, bondage
equipment (long term);
G&Bf
Gags and Blindfolds
CB&T
Cock and Ball Torture
FF
Fist Fucking
VA
Verbal Abuse
PA
Physical Abuse
also pa
WS
Water Sports
BDSM
Bondage, Domination and S&M
WE,VWE
Has Big cock
maybe hanky codes?
WLTM
Would Like To Meet
GSOH
Good Sense Of Humour
BULBUL
Blond hair, Blue eyes
SCAT
shit
Piercings
may include 'play' piercing
ZOO
into the real thing!
SubDom
switch
Cages
IRONS
and chain
HUMILIATION
Being verbally abused and embarrused.
Being covered in lube, oil, filth etc
Being dressed as a slave, in bondage
and/or in a humiliating fashion Being
fucked by a animal. Being locked into a cock
chastity cage Being naked or nearly
naked in public Being pissed on Being
put on display in a friendly SM
environment Being stepped on
(especially with muddy or oily boots)
Being stuffed with food, mouth and asshole,
use of force. Being submissive and humiliated
publicly. Being tied into humiliating
positions Being treated like a animal Being
used as a doormat to clean boots on Being
written on with humiliating language Eating
out of a dog dish Getting a ragged and
chopped haircut Having a lit candle shoved
into my mouth, cockhole, asshole Having a
thick ring soldered through my Septum or a
heavy lock soldered through my PA, like wise
a pad-lock. Having a wide metal band
soldered around my cock and a wide metal
band soldered around my balls Having (dirty)
dildoes forced into mouth and asshole Having
fingers shoved down my throat Having my body
completely shaved/buzzed: legs, crotch, arms,
head, eyebrows, eyelashes In rubber, being
covered in lube, piss or filth. Wearing head
to toe rubber in a friendly SM environment
ExHib
Exhibitionism
Being photographed, observed in public, see
Humiliation. Wearing compulsory clotheing
(includes being naked), such as tight thin
(maybe see-through) rubber etc, leather or
submissive clothing, such as chastity shorts
(also as bondage, humiliation), rags or other
that may invite ridicule or would expose
vunerability, as would ragged or ridiculous
hair cuts. Public degradation, such as
grovelling, begging, self deprecation,
toilet 'accidents', acts that invoke the
contact me if you want to add more to the
list
*G*- Giggle or Grin
*H*- Hug
*K*- Kiss
*S*- Smile
*W*- Wink
Face: Represents:
:-) Happy
:-( Sad
:-P Sticking tounge out
;-) Wink
:-O Shocked
%-) Confused
:-| Serious/No emotion
:-x Kiss
:-D Big smile
8-) Glasses/Eyes wide
:o) Different nose type
:) Smile without nose
:-] Another smile
:-I Thinking
:'( Crying
:-> Another smile
:-C Very sad
:-\ Skeptical
B-) Another with glasses
X-( Dead
:-# Lips are sealed
:{) Moustace
=:) Troll
|-) Eyes closed/Asleep
:-S Bad taste
!-( Black eye
:-E Vampire
:-+ Sour taste
:)) Very happy without nose
hankie code
Left Colour Right
heavy SM top BLACK heavy SM bottom
bondage top GREY fit to be tied!
wants head LT BLUE cocksucker
fucker NAVY BLUE fuckee
c & b torturer TEAL BLUE cock & ball torturee
fist fucker RED fist fuckee
cuts MAROON bleeds
dildo fucker LIGHTPINK dildo fuckee
tit torturer DARK PINK tit torturee
suck my pits MAGENTA armpit freak
piercer PURPLE piercee
pisser/WS YELLOW piss freak
spits gob PALE YELLOW drool crazy
hung 8" or more MUSTARD wants a big one
anything,where,timeORANGE nothing now (cruising)
Big Guy APRICOT chubby chaser
a cowboy RUST his horse
spanker FUCHSIA spankee
hustler (for rent) KELLY GREEN john (looking to buy)
daddy HUNTER GREEN orphan boy looking for daddy
military top OLIVE DRAB military bottom
rimmer BEIGE rimmee
scat top BROWN scat bottom
uncut BROWN LACE likes uncut
cut BROWN SATIN likes cut
latex fetish top CHARCOAL latex fetish bottom
beat my meat - Virgin WHITE I'll do us both
cums in scumbags CREAM sucks it out
bestiality top FUR bestiality bottom
Dog Trainer DOG LEASH /
Dog Bone Dog boy
likes muscle boy bottoms GOLD LAME likes muscle boy tops

List compiled by MistressDREAD???2/1993
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Posted 02 March 2007 - 10:34 PM

Here are a few more :banana:

YKINMK Your Kink Is Not My Kink
YKINMKBTOK You Kink Is Not My Kink But That's OK
YKINMKBYKIOK Your Kink Is Not My Kink But Your Kink Is OK
YKINOK Your Kink Is Not OK
YKIOK Your Kink Is OK
YKIOKBINMK Your Kink Is OK But It's Not My Kink
YKIOKIJNMK Your Kink Is OK, It's Just Not My Kink

Some Butticons:
(_!_) a regular ass
(__!__) a fat ass
(!) a tight ass
(_._) a flat ass
(_^_) a bubble ass
(_*_) a sore ass
(_!__) a lop-sided ass
{_!_} a swishy ass
(_o_) an ass that's been around
(_O_) an ass that's been around even more
(_x_) kiss my ass
(_X_) leave my ass alone
(_zzz_) a tired ass
(_o^o_) a wise ass
(_13_) an unlucky ass
(_$_) Money coming out of his ass
(_?_) Dumb Ass
(#|#) Spanked Ass
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Posted 03 March 2007 - 07:50 PM

Ties..
OMG..thank you so much..You saved the best for last...A SPANKED ASS....Great..
(#|#)(#|#)(#|#)(#|#)(#|#)(#|#)

Thank you so much :).....
:worship: :banana: :thanx:
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Posted 04 March 2007 - 04:11 PM

LOL,
Some of them are very funny,

A couple to add work related.

EPU= enviromental protection unit ( bucket under a leak)
TFA= touch fuck all.

very technical term indicating it is not of concern,
DILLIGAF= Do I look like I Give A Fuck.

Ozz
We could learn a lot from crayons:
some are sharp, some are pretty, some
are dull, some have weird names, and
all are different colors but they all
have to

learn to live in the same box.
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